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Osvaldo_CThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. posted this thread...
Jul. 5, 2013 at 9:33 pm

Wow, I'm suprised there's nothing on him here. I'm curious on what people think of him.
 
To those that don't know, Snowden is a former NSA worker that leaked secret information to the public. But what he said are secrets that the US government is hiding from the people. For example, he leaked that the government can know what you do and say via online and by phone.
 
Snowden is now on the run from the US and is currently trying to seek asylum in foriegn countries. He didn't do anything like kill people or using a bomb. All he did was to tell the truth to the American people. Now the government is after him. The US government is also pressuring other countries to hand him over too.
 
So, what do you think? Is he a hero or a crimminal?

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JulietTiernanThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 5, 2013 at 10:37 pm

I don`t know whole lot about this situation but personally I think he`s a hero. (of sorts) He proved to the American people that our government isn`t as trustworhty as it tells us it is.
Honestly there`s a lot of governemental and federal organizations that I don`t trust and I`m glad that someone is standing up and trying to wake us all up.

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Gryffindor replied...
Jul. 6, 2013 at 2:33 am

Well, I mean I can know what you do and say via online and by phone. It truly is not that hard. So how come I am trustworthy, but the government isn't. He committed a federal crime. Somewhere in his contract he probably had a non-disclosure agreement. Sworn to secrecy. there is a reason for Top Secret and Secret licenses. If he broke a contract, I don't care if he saved the world, he broke the law.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 6, 2013 at 7:06 am

Some laws are best broken. Edward Snowden broke one law so several other more serious ones didn't have to be. Case closed.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jul. 6, 2013 at 6:49 pm

Well, he's definitely a criminal, because he broke the law. The big question is whether he was justified in doing so. I think he is partially- the American people need to know if their government is spying on them. But I'm not crazy about him revealing details of our counterintelligence program to China, and it seems to me that he's motivated more by dislike of the American government than by any noble convictions. I don't really like either side in this geopolitical fight.

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human6 replied...
Jul. 6, 2013 at 9:20 pm

Grffindor: Look up COINTELPRO, that should answer your question. If it doesn't look up the destruction of the IWW.

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human6 replied...
Jul. 6, 2013 at 9:29 pm

He's a hero and a criminal 

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 8, 2013 at 8:27 pm

Technically, he's a traitor. But being a traitor isn't always bad. I wouldn't put Snowden up this high, but just as a point all of America's founding fathers were traitors. Also, I'm fairly certain what the government was doing was unconstitutional or at least wrong. So in general, I'd say I support what Snowden did.
 
The only thing that would give me pause is if he reveals the locations of covert CIA operatives, as he supposedly has the ability to do. At that point he is not standing up to a bad/illegal thing done by the government - he is putting people's lives at risk.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 7:21 am

It's important not to send the message that going rogue and giving the finger to the government is automatically a good thing. You're only the good guy if you happen to be exposing something unconstitutional or outright immoral.

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human6 replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 1:17 pm

The US government is of the capitalist class, for the capitalist class and by the capitalist class. It is the enemy of the productive classes and a terr orist organization that has killed and is killing billions both inside its borders and outside. Screw it any blow against it and its puppets is a blow for human liberation.

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Quantum1.0This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 9, 2013 at 11:45 pm

There is no such thing as the capitalist class. And far from being the enemy of the "productive class" the economic system in the US is one of the most successful ever.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 4:30 am

Okay there you lost me. The U.S. government has not killed billions.

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human6 replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 12:05 pm

Quantum: The capitalist class is the class that owns the means of production, ie everything used to produce goods and services. The working class doesn't own the means of production so we must sell our labor to survive. That relation is the basis of capitalism. "We are free -truly free- when we don't need to rent our arms to anybody in order to lift a loaf of bread to our mouths." Ricardo Flores Magon mexican anarchist and ally of Poncho Villa
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stuntdude: There wouldn't be white people in Utah if the US government didn't kill billions. Also look up Allende and Pinochet.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Please cite for me the figures that add up to multiple billions of deaths mandated by the U.S. Until you can provide actual sources for your inormation, try not to make ridiculous claims.

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Jul. 10, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Claiming that the U.S. government hasn't killed millions of people is utter nonsense. How do you think we got all this land? Was it uninhabited before the Europeans came along? The nation used to be filled with billions and billions of Natives. When we go to war in other countries, we end up killing civilians, wether on purpose or by accident it doesn't matter, they end up dead all the same. Colonial wars from 1620-1774, Northwest Indian War of 1785-1795, Tecumseh's War of 1811, Creek War of 1813, The Mexican-American War or 1846, American Civil War, where we killed our own people, Indian Wars from 1865-1917, Philippine-American War of 1899, Banana Wars from 1898-1935, Moro rebellion of 1899-1913, Border War from 1910-1919. We have occupied Germany, Poland, France, Austria, Russia, Korea, Lebanon, Vietnam, Grenada, Beirut, Libya, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Iran, Somalia, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and countless other territories. Now I'm not saying that other governments don't have their share of bodies racked up, but America definitely has a kill count in the billions.

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human6 replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 7:05 pm

stuntdude: Are you denying the genocide of the native americans? beyond that:
 
 
 
 
I can't put links down on my phone so google:
 
east timor genocide
 
Fallujah
 
battle of blair mountain 
 
 
Contras
 
 
Chiles 9/11
 
guatemalan coup

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm

"Claiming that the U.S. government hasn't killed millions of people is utter nonsense."
 
Oh, okay, that's what's next. The guy who tells me to "go read a book" then immediately proves he can't even read a simple post, or just doesn't know the difference between "millions" and "billions." That level of willful ignorance is beyond what I can help, sorry.
 
"Are you denying the genocide of the native americans?"
 
ht tps://yourlogicalfallacyis.co m/strawman

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human6 replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 8:26 pm

The us government killed billions in the Native American genocide

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human6 replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 8:28 pm

In addition all the deaths of every 'regime change' war and 'law and order' campaign must be billions

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human6 replied...
Jul. 10, 2013 at 9:26 pm

I asked you to google them because I can't paste links on my phone, if I try to space them out it sends me to the link.

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