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army-chick posted this thread...
Jun. 29, 2013 at 10:06 am

Alcohol kills thousands of people a year due to drunk driving, and alcohol poisoning.
Legal
Cigarettes cause lung cancer,gum infections and other sometimes fatal illnesses.
Legal
OTC pills. Can cause hallucinations, dilyria, and amnesia. over dose is deadly. Also used in methamphetimines.
Legal
Perscription pills. leads to serious addiction,over dose is deadly. many people killed in accidents caused by drugged drivers.
Legal
Weed. all natural substance. used to help cancer, chronic pain, stress, insomnia. calms people down. takes over 1300 lbs of weed to over dose.
Illegal

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Jun. 29, 2013 at 11:35 am

He.ll yeah! I don't even consider pot a drug. If it was a drug, I wouldn't be able to function in everyday life. I'm pretty sure hemp was banned all those years ago due to how economical it was, bureaucrats didn't want people to be so self sustaining. You could use pot plants for making paper, rope, clothing, oil, medicine, and as a healthier substitute for tobacco. Not to mention cannabis gives nutrients back to the soil where other plants strip it. Luckily, people are beginning to see sense. In the next decade or so, I bet pot will be legalized, and corporations will be lining up to put nasty addictive chemicals in our weed and overcharge us. You can't win. That's why I grow my own. 

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army-chick replied...
Jun. 29, 2013 at 11:49 am

lucky! if only i didnt have over barring parents

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GryffindorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jun. 29, 2013 at 3:49 pm

Its the driver's fault that he drank too much Alcohol. You can't put the blame on a drink because someoen decided to drink half a gallon of it. Same with poisoning. You won't get it if you don't drink to excess.

Cigarettes, yea legal, but again, its because people use them. Use it to excess and it kills. Though I believe there are companies trying to eradicate Cigarettes or at least put a tighter restriction on it.

OTC pills again, overdose, not the fault of the pill.

Prescription, overdose, not the pill's fault. And you would balme the deaths of innocent people on the pills not the idiots who overdosed on them?

Weed(this is my favorite one considering you listed all the POSITIVE effects. Let me give you the negative effects when used.)



Altered senses


Dizziness, tiredness, fatigue


Reduced coordination and balance


Cognitive impairment (read: marijuana psychological effects)


Anxiety, panic, paranoia


Hallucinations


Mood alterations


Altered blood pressure, dizziness


Increased heart rate


Flushing


Dry mouth


Nausea, vomiting


Tooth discoloration


Increased appetite


Skin rash


Dry eyes


Blurred vision


Cough, sore throat

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GryffindorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jun. 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm

army-chick
 
 
I'm sorry, but it looks like I just read something that says it is the Alcohol, Pills, and Cigarettes fault that people die every year. Not the fault of the dum.b.a.s.s who overdosed on them? If that is what you are trying to get across, then I'm sorry, but you are seriously misinformed. 
 
1300lbs. Depends. It varies with every person. Yes it is hard to overdose on Weed. But you only mentioned the positive side effects of weed. not the negative ones. The negative ones happen within the first 15 mins of smoking. It is also the cra.p people do afterwards that is fatal to them.
 
 
This is not to say I am against legalizing weed, but the first part of your thread was seriously misinformed. To me at least, not sure about others.

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Jun. 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm

I would just like to point out that no one plans on over dosing, unless they are trying to kill themselves. You don't need to be a dumb as.s to over dose, you just need to be high already, before you take your next hit, thus clouding your judgment and making you more susceptible to an over dose. And then you need to have sh.it friends, and guess what? Putting someone in a cold bath isn't enough, so no, you can't just leave someone in the bathroom in that questionable weirdo's apartment and forget about them so they can wake up the next morning and think the world ended and promptly pass out again until the late afternoon. Not cool. 
Now I'm seeing where someone might hear that and think, "Well that just sounds like being a dumb as.s" 
I guess I can't argue that, but when have "smart" people ever had any fun? Their idea of fun is not taking risks, and that's the not the fun kind of fun. 
The point Army-Chick is trying to make is that why should something even more harmful then weed be legal while weed itself is illegal. And I agree. If you think weed should be illegal, you might as well think all drugs (alcohol, nicotine, pills, etc...) should be illegal.
Gryffindor:
Please tell me the negative side effects of weed. I understand how lung cancer could be one, but if you live long enough, you'll get cancer of some sort anyways.  Otherwise, there aren't really any negative effects. Some people like weed, others don't, it really depends on your biology. It effects people differently.

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army-chick replied...
Jun. 29, 2013 at 11:53 pm

cigarette smokers have a 15-30 % higher chance of getting lung cancer then none smokers. weed smokers have a 0.9 % higher chance then non smokers. and that 0.9 % is mainly due to the burning paper, not the marijuana itself.

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Chris_lopez replied...
Jul. 1, 2013 at 11:47 pm

ur a freakin genius!!! and i mean that lol

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GryffindorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 2, 2013 at 1:00 am

Sorla: Google is my friend and so is my freind who is in the middle od med school.
 
 
 


Altered senses


Dizziness, tiredness, fatigue


Reduced coordination and balance


Cognitive impairment (read: marijuana psychological effects)


Anxiety, panic, paranoia


Hallucinations


Mood alterations


Altered blood pressure, dizziness


Increased heart rate


Flushing


Dry mouth


Nausea, vomiting


Tooth discoloration


Increased appetite


Skin rash


Dry eyes


Blurred vision


Cough, sore throat
 
 
There are more side effects because it does vary with every person.

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Jul. 3, 2013 at 10:18 pm

Having an altered perception is one of the reasons people smoke weed. How many people that smoke will go out and say that the side effects aren't worth it? None that I've ever met. People don't act crazy after smoking a bowl or a joint, they act like themselves. It's not nearly as debilitating as alcohol. And it has medicinal qualities, it's used for depression, anxiety, chronic pain, eating disorders, Insomnia, PMS, it even prevents the enzyme acetylcholinesterase from forming in the brain which is the leading cause of Alzheimer's disease. It is used to help the symptoms of many different cancers and chemotherapy, and has even been known to help people with Crohn's disease and ALS. All alcohol has ever done is clean wounds, destroy livers and make people stupid. 

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 4, 2013 at 12:33 am

"Also used in methamphetimines."
 
So is just about anything you can think of. If that's a reason to hate something then you must be living and extremely hateful life.
 
"Perscription pills. leads to serious addiction,over dose is deadly."
 
Implying this is true for all prescription pills.
 
"Weed. all natural substance."
 
ht tps://yourlogicalfallacyis.c om/appeal-to-nature
 
"used to help cancer, chronic pain, stress, insomnia."
 
So are prescription and over the counter medicines that you listed earlier.
 
"calms people down."
 
So do some prescription pills.
 
"takes over 1300 lbs of weed to over dose."
 
[citation needed]
 
"I don't even consider pot a drug."
 
A few definitions of the word "drug":
 
- a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body
- a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication
- something and often an illegal substance that causes addiction, habituation, or a marked change in consciousness
- A substance that has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body, in particular.
 
Do you deny that it fits nearly all, widely accepted definitions?
 
"I'm pretty sure hemp was banned all those years ago due to how economical it was, bureaucrats didn't want people to be so self sustaining."
 
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_can nabis_in_the_United_States
 
"You could use pot plants for making paper [citation needed], rope [citation needed], clothing [citation needed], oil citation needed],"
 
"when have "smart" people ever had any fun? Their idea of fun is not taking risks, and that's the not the fun kind of fun."
 
Remind me to never associate with you for any reason.
 
All alcohol has ever done is clean wounds, destroy livers and make people stupid.
 
ht tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_alcohol#Longevity
 
If you're going to cherry-pick data, well, two can play that game.

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army-chick replied...
Jul. 4, 2013 at 1:31 am

@stuntdude, i happen to enjoy most of the things on the list. im not saying those things should be illegal, im just sayin why are they legal when weed isnt

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Jul. 4, 2013 at 11:50 am

Well actually methamphetamine calls for specific chemical reactions depending on what materials you have or what type you're trying to make, but that is beside the point. Once more, I think what army chick is trying to say, is that there is no reason for weed to be illegal while other more harmful drugs are not. She's not saying let's ban all drugs other then weed, she's saying "Legalize Weed", hence the title. No one has anything against other drugs here. Now believe me when I say some drugs can alter your entire existence. Ever done acid or shrooms? Mescaline, DMT, or PCP? That is a drug. Those things make you trip, make you insane. Cocaine and heroin, those are drugs. Pain killers like morphine and percs or oxy, those are drugs. Weed isn't a drug. It's like drinking coffee, or soda, or chewing gum. It doesn't affect you, it's just a harmless habit. I don't need a citation for the uses of hemp, I know what they are. One of my relatives made his living off of hemp and when I visited it was my job to separate the fibers and weave them into rope and yarn after they had dried out. The rope can be bundled and sold, and the yarn is woven into fabric. In order to make paper, the fibers need to be soaked, simmered, blended, and then the slurry is poured into a low pan to set, forming a substance called deckle, which is what the paper is made out of. After that it's dried. Cannabis oil is made from the entire plant, and retains THC, where hemp seed oil is only made from the seed and is used as a carrier oil. It's ok, I don't take offense to your snark, it's ok, I have enough fun for the both of us. Yeah, alcohol rips you apart from the inside out, I never denied that. I've seen what it does to people, and it's not pretty. Weed is a different story. You never meet an alcoholic past the age of 80, you meet pot heads over the age of 80 all the time. It's not the government's business what we put in our bodies as long as we're not hurting anyone.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:36 pm

"Well actually methamphetamine calls for specific chemical reactions depending on what materials you have or what type you're trying to make,"
 
Yeah, and quite a few of those can come from household items or even food.
 
"I think what army chick is trying to say, is that there is no reason for weed to be illegal'
 
There are reasons, they're just not sufficient reasons. I agree it should be legalized, I just also think people should actually know what they're talking about when making a case for or against it.
 
"Weed isn't a drug. It's like drinking coffee"
 
Did I not *just* explain this in my last post or did you not read past the first few words? Weed is a drug, and it's frankly idiotic to claim otherwise. Oh, also, caffeine is a drug.
 
"It doesn't affect you"
 
Clearly it does, or people wouldn't do it in the first place.
 
"it's just a harmless habit."
 
Is there no end to your ignorance? Relatively harmless compared with something like toba.cco, sure. Totally harmless? Obviously not.
 
"I don't need a citation for the uses of hemp, I know what they are."
 
Do you even know what a research citation is? It's not about what you think you do or don't know. 
 
"Yeah, alcohol rips you apart from the inside out, I never denied that."
 
While this is true, it's also really funny because the way you responded makes it obvious you completely missed the fact that I was quoting someone from earlier in the thread.
 
"You never meet an alcoholic past the age of 80"
 
I have, actually, funnily enough.
 
"you meet pot heads over the age of 80 all the time."
 
Actually, I don't. And now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I never have.

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Jul. 4, 2013 at 10:34 pm

I don't have much in this world but my wit, so I don't appreciate when people call me ignorant. A piker, and a little intense, maybe so, but I am not uneducated and I will not be spoken to in such a condescending way. You think I don't know what I'm talking about? I've been smoking weed since I was thirteen, and I've met many, many pot heads along the way, all of whom were very friendly and intuitive individuals. When I say it doesn't effect you, I mean it doesn't make you wrap your car around a tree, or go home and beat your family, or jump off a pier like hardcore drugs do. Pot is very mellow and low key. Have you ever even tried it? Cause you can't claim anything until you have. We're only on this earth for such a short time, so why does it matter what we do with our bodies while we're here? Maybe you are content to sit in your room with elbow pads, but the rest of us prefer a little spice with the rest of our mundane existences. Do I know what a research citation is? What do you think I was doing all throughout middle school, smoking weed? It ain't rocket science, it's hemp. Look it up if it interests you so, but I'm not going out of my way to find some website that explains what I already said. You don't understand, the average life expectancy of someone in my community is barely fifty, the alcoholics are picked off one by one starting in their teen years, and they don't even reach forty typically. The ones who smoke pot often live past the life expectancy. Well, there's my citation for you. Life. 

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 5, 2013 at 12:17 am

"I've met many, many pot heads along the way, all of whom were very friendly and intuitive individuals."
 
Intuitive =/= smart or virtuous.
 
"Have you ever even tried it? Cause you can't claim anything until you have."
 
ht tps://yourlogicalfallacyis.co m/anecdotal
 
"We're only on this earth for such a short time, so why does it matter what we do with our bodies while we're here?"
 
We're only on this earth for such a short time, so why waste that time getting defensive about something no one is even disagreeing with in the first place?
 
"Maybe you are content to sit in your room with elbow pads,"
 
ht tps://yourlogicalfallacyis.co m/strawman
 
"What do you think I was doing all throughout middle school, smoking weed?"
 
I wouldn't be surprised :P
 
"You don't understand, the average life expectancy of someone in my community is barely fifty"
 
Oh, okay, so apparently this thread has really been about your personal life all along, and not about actual factual, legal, and political matters?

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GryffindorThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 5, 2013 at 1:44 am

Realize that stuntdude and I are not against legalizing marijuana like what was said earlier. However, he is correct in saying that some of your "facts" seem a little out there. 
 
 
I do want to point out one thing though: "Maybe you are content to sit in your room with elbow pads, but the rest of us prefer a little spice with the rest of our mundane existences. "
 
 
 
I sincerely hope you are only refering to weed. I really do. 
 
 
btw, it is VERY much the government's business. For the sole reason of people doing stu.pid stuff after smoking weed. You can do just as crazy stuff while high as you can while drunk. Unlucky for those people accidents have happened because people were smoking weed. Ever heard of Blue Laws by the way. Prohibition maybe? 

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Jul. 5, 2013 at 6:51 pm

Stuntddude:
I'm not getting defensive, you're getting offensive. This isn't about a difference of opinion, merely a difference of demeanor. 
ht tps://yourlogicalfallacyis.c om/ad-hominem
Two can play the self righteous game, sir. 
Now, a person can only speak from themselves. The only facts I shall depend on are those I've seen first hand. Internet sources may do for others, but how do you really know if a source is reliable unless you were there personally? Therefore, I can't speak for others, but I can speak for myself and what I have experienced. I think it would be irresponsible to claim anything without having witnessed it. 
Gryffindor:
Spice was mostly just a metaphor for adventure, although I must say I'm curious as to what you're thinking about. 
And honestly, weed doesn't make people do stupid things. Stupid people do stupid things, regardless of what's in their system or not. 
I've heard of Blue Laws, they're pretty hard to keep track of. I can't remember if you're not allowed to purchase alcohol before noon on any day or only Sundays. I personally don't understand, why take away a business' prophet for religion? I swear, the way logic works... Ever changing and different across cultures. I know about Prohibition, and it turned out to be a waste of time and money, just like this "war on drugs".

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 5, 2013 at 7:07 pm

"This isn't about a difference of opinion, merely a difference of demeanor."
 
You're absolutely right about that. I don't like when people completely misconstrue facts to support a claim, no matter how true the claim may be.
 
"ht tps://yourlogicalfallacyis.c om/ad-hominem"
 
Except that nowhere have I personally attacked you in replacement of a legitimate argument. Sorry, the person has to have actually committed a fallacy for that site to be of any use -- just throwing it around willy-nilly and saying "two can play that game" does not do anything for you.
 
"how do you really know if a source is reliable unless you were there personally?"
 
A take it you don't believe the civil war ever happened, since you weren't personally there to see it?
 
"And honestly, weed doesn't make people do stupid things."
 
Hah. Good joke, mate.
 
"Stupid people do stupid things, regardless of what's in their system or not."
 
I'm pretty sure stupid people don't continue to do stupid things when they're anesthetized, so that's imperically false. I'm not worried about stupid people continuing to do stupid things, but it does worry me when normally sensible people are made to do stupid things.
 
Also, I find it interesting that you're just assuming anyone who has a problem with your intellectual dishonesty believes whatever is easiest for you to argue against, essentially making up their views instead of actually inquiring and figuring them out.

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Jul. 5, 2013 at 8:29 pm

 I'm assuming you can see that nowhere have we even mentioned your viewpoint. This entire ordeal has just been about you being all contrary. You haven't expressed an opinion, other then that my opinions are worthless. And you think weed should be legalized anyways, and I'm not sure if you're looking for an argument or just happen to be snarky.
You are essentially just using what other people have said to try and prove my argument means nothing with this whole "logical fallacy" thing. Have some thought, dude! It makes things more fun.
I'm also gonna assume you know what a first hand source is. I am a first hand source. Anything written by people who have witnessed an event are first hand sources. Anything I stumble across on the internet isn't a first hand source.
It's not a joke, how many times must we go over this? Weed doesn't affect your everyday life like other drugs do. You act exactly the same stoned as you do sober, except more relaxed. I don't need some statistics to tell me anything when the facts are walking around in front of me in the form of carbon based bipedal organisms. 
Daalyon Swuda! No one does anything when they're knocked out. Do you really think I was referring to anesthetics? 

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