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Gryffindor replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 3:32 am

I agree stuntdude, its just the government doesn't want to go out of the norms of society, and the common people aren't used to it. They have grown up knowing that it morally and ethically wrong to be/do anything homo.se.xual. It is pathetic.......


Thanks for the opinion, btw. :)

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Gryffindor replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 3:37 am

Going to kill the censors...... this is my 4th try.......
 
 
 
stuntdude: I agree, wholeheartedly.  Its just that governments don't want to go out of the norm of society. Which is-The general public was brought up in fear of h.o.m.o.s.e.x.u.a.l.i.t.y.. It was generally thought that to be/do anything of the sort was wrong. even when it doesn't directly affect them or their family, they still grind it away. It is very annoying.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jul. 12, 2013 at 4:47 am

Proper education of children on the subject, I think, is the most important factor. If you teach your children what se.xuality and gender and the like really are, and teach not only to understand the issue but also to be unafraid of what they don't know, then I guarantee they will not end up bigoted on the subject.

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abby09 replied...
Aug. 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm

I know I will probably be judged for this, but I am against gay marriage. I am a strong Christian, and just like you are standing up for what you believe is right, I am standing up, too. I know that not everyone is a Christian, and that many argue that the government cannot enforce religious beliefs on the public, and this is absolutely true. But, what I'm arguing is that this nation was founded on principles found in the Bible. As this country has strayed from those principles, our economy and government has gone down the drain. The decision of legalizing gay marriage is just another step away from our nation's solid foundation. I'm not saying this to persecute anyone, because everyone makes their own mistakes. It's not that I don't like gay people- it's that I don't agree with the lifestyle they've chosen. So, if you'll keep an open mind to what I'm saying, I'll keep an open mind, too.

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Jane D. replied...
Sept. 1, 2013 at 1:21 am

Thats good. I'm glad to  see they passed ther bill alothought i do think I should just be common sence.

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lonesomedreams replied...
Oct. 2, 2013 at 10:29 am

Heterosexual marriages these days are a disgrace. The vast majority anyways. 
 

Its about love. If two people are in love and want to raise children together in a loving environment thus creating respectful and loving citizens, who are we to say they shouldnt? Honestly, the government should seriously consider outlawing heterosexual marriages because half of them are going to end up in court anyways, producing children who are jaded and broken by divorce.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 3, 2013 at 7:12 pm

"But, what I'm arguing is that this nation was founded on principles found in the Bible."

Then you're absolutely wrong and this is where the argument ends. If this is your premise, then you may as well discard the rest of your argument that follows.

"As this country has strayed from those principles, our economy and government has gone down the drain."

That's absolute bollocks. If you knew the first thing about economics you'd know our country's economy has grown exponentially since its founding.

"So, if you'll keep an open mind to what I'm saying, I'll keep an open mind, too."

That's a deal. Hopefully you'll stick to your end of the bargain.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 3, 2013 at 7:12 pm

"But, what I'm arguing is that this nation was founded on principles found in the Bible."
 
Then you're absolutely wrong and this is where the argument ends. If this is your premise, then you may as well discard the rest of your argument that follows.
 
"As this country has strayed from those principles, our economy and government has gone down the drain."
 
That's absolute bol.locks. If you knew the first thing about economics you'd know our country's economy has grown exponentially since its founding.
 
"So, if you'll keep an open mind to what I'm saying, I'll keep an open mind, too."
 
That's a deal. Hopefully you'll stick to your end of the bargain.

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theTruthReturns replied...
Nov. 12, 2013 at 11:00 am

"But, what I'm arguing is that this nation was founded on principles found in the Bible."
”Then you're absolutely wrong and this is where the argument ends. If this is your premise, then you may as well discard the rest of your argument that follows.”
   
This nation was founded on religious principles, Christian ones specifically.  This isn't a matter of debate.  Our founding fathers were very vocal on the influence Christianity had in shaping this nation.
 
“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.” - George Washington

“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible”. - George Washington

“The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” - John Adams

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity”. - John Adams

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams

“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ”. - Patrick Henry

“The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” - Benjamin Rush

“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” - Benjamin Franklin

“[The Bible] is the rock on which our Republic rests.”  - Andrew Jackson

 “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government” - James Madison

Congress even printed a bible in 1782 and passed a resolution endorsing its use in schools.
“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” - United States Congress 1782
 
Our judicial system has even set precedent that clarifies the religious foundations of this country. 
“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation” - United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

With such overwhelming historical evidence, there is no way that you can possibly believe that this nation wasn't built on the principles of Christianity.  There is no way to debate it, and to baselessly discredit someone’s argument because they correctly mentioned religious influence in the creation of this country is laughable.

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Mr.packerbacker12This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Nov. 13, 2013 at 7:33 am

"This nation was founded on religious principles, Christian ones specifically.  This isn't a matter of debate.  Our founding fathers were very vocal on the influence Christianity had in shaping this nation."
 
Try masons, J.ews(i'm not anti-semetic), athiests, and one or two Christians.
 
 

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Jake_A replied...
Feb. 8 at 3:55 pm

The majority of the founding fathers were Christian, and although I wholeheartedly endorse the separation of Church and State, the foundations of the American government were, in part, influenced by the teachings of Jesus Christ. I say "teachings of Jesus Christ" and not "Christianity" because numerous founding fathers such as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and, in part, John Adams, believed that there was a difference. These men were considered Christian Deists, and it was primarily their beliefs that influenced the Constitution. It would be false to say that the founding fathers were Atheists - the belief was widely ridiculed at the time (Thomas Paine's credibility evaporated entirely when he was even suspected of being an Atheist - which he wasn't), and to my knowledge none of the founders were Jewish - however some Jewish beliefs did find their way into the foundation of America.

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stuntddudeThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Feb. 9 at 1:47 am

I know I'm a few months late in seeing this, but...
 
"This nation was founded on religious principles, Christian ones specifically. This isn't a matter of debate.  Our founding fathers were very vocal on the influence Christianity had in shaping this nation."
 
From the creators of RTFM (read the [inference] manual) we bring you: RFTC! Read the [inference] constition:
 
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
 
If you know the first thing about U.S. history (literally, it is about the first thing chronologically), you'll know that people immigrated to the Americas en masse specifically to escape religious persecution in Europe. Imposing one religion onto the U.S. government, regardless how huge of a majority it was at the time, was absolutely the last thing anyone had in mind. Personal opinions of historical figures have exactly fuck-all significance in a country the government of which is and always has been strictly secular by design.
 
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
 
From the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously by the U.S. Senate in 1797. There's a historical example for you.
 
Now, please, find me one principle of American government that is explicitly Christian. Did you find one? Oh, right, I thought so.
 
Come back when you have a convincing argument.

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KarmaBites replied...
Mar. 23 at 10:36 pm

Hello :-) This is sorta random, but I'm from MN, too! I made a thread for Minnesotans to meet each other: TeenInk.com/forums?act=post&topic_id=3&thread_id=78890  As a Minnesota, I have quite a bit to say on this topic. I don't have a lot of time, so I'll have to rant later XD

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