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Gryffindor posted this thread...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 5:43 pm

So since, there are so many of us(not me) who are against the Death Penalty, Should Dzhokhar get the Death Penalty? The state of Massachusettes doesn't have the death Penalty, but Dzhokhar is under ccustody by the U.S. Government. In which case in federal court they can sentence him the death penalty. He is considered an enemy combatant. That is why his Miranda rights were waived. 
 
or should he be sent to Gitmo(Guantanamo Bay)
 
Also imagine yourself giving the news to the famalies and victims of the Boston Marathon. What do you think their reaction would be if you told them that the person who disabled them, killed a family member, or injured them, is going to jail for the rest of his life in Guantanamo Bay, or a Federal prison in the U.S. 
 
 
Then again if he goes to a federal prison, he is 19 years old. He could be in there for a LONG time. On the other side, do you think someone who did that much damage to a city should be allowed the same grace as one guy who killed one person with a gun?

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 6:31 pm

I don't know. I'm not sure how much of the uproar around him is because he's a criminal, or because he's a Russian Muslim criminal who set off a bomb. We didn't declare Adam Lanza or James Holmes enemy combatants- and they killed more people. They're both white and have names a lot more common than 'Tamerlan Tzarnaev.'
 
I don't care if he dies or not- yeah, he probably deserves it- but I hope we can bear in mind that he's an American citizen and we don't want to set a dangerous precedent for other American citizens. That's a dangerous sacrifice just to satisfy our collective desire for revenge.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm

Imagine:
 
I believe when he was declared an enemy combatant he lost his Miranda rights and citizenship. Maybe not. Either way, he is an American citizen. 

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 10:12 pm

The decision to charge Tsarnaev in civilian court put an end to speculation that he would be charged as an enemy combatant, a designation sometimes used against terrorists. White House spokesman Jay Carney said that Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen and cannot be tried by a military commission.




(-Source CNN.com) So it does look better for him.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 10:16 pm

The decision to charge Tsarnaev in civilian court put an end to speculation that he would be charged as an enemy combatant, a designation sometimes used against terrorists. White House spokesman Jay Carney said that Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen and cannot be tried by a military commission.
 
 
CNN. com, well looks better for him I guess.

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 9:40 pm

I hope he is k.illed.  He is a m.urderer, and it has nothing to do with him being Muslim or Russian.  I don't much trust the Muslims, because I have been raised in a time when Muslim e.xtremists are one of the biggest threats to my country's safety, but that isn't why I hate him.  I hate him because he k.illed innocent Americans in an act of terror.
Whatever his motive, I believe he should be put to death.  I also believe that James Holmes should be put to death.  It's got nothing to do with ethniticity.  It has to do with actions.
Whether he was Russian, or Asian, American, or Canadian, he set off a b.omb, k.illed 3 people, injured however many others, and put an entire city on lockdown.  I'd say that deserves death.
I don't care if he's a citizen or not.  He is a t.errorist, a m.urderer, and a truly evil man.  If any person, citizen or not, did what he did, I'd be all for the death penalty for that person too.
An eye for an eye...
Imaginedangerous: How is sentencing a m.urderer to death a dangerous precedent?  Citizen or no, he is a murderer.  It's not a collective desire for revenge- it is consequences to a man's action.  Like I said before, an eye for an eye.  Murderers should be put to death.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:02 pm

"I don't much trust the Muslims, because I have been raised in a time when Muslim e.xtremists are one of the biggest threats to my country's safety"
 
So you are going to distrust an entire culture and religion because of extremeists. Muslims are a peaceful religion. Saying Muslims are just like extremeists or have so many extremeists of their faith is like saying that Westboro Baptist Church is just like the rest of Christianity. Muslim extremist are to Muslims what Westboro Baptist Church is to Christians. Pure freaking idiots. 

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:08 pm

Warrior, you would have him killed for something he believes in? He believed that the U.S. intervened in Iraq and Afghanistan more than we should have. Which we did. profusely. In my opinion, he was right. Was he just in his actions, maybe not. But to him and his brother, causing mayhem to a civilization that not only took over, but occupied militarily their home country, for too long. Trying desperately to impose a new Government.
 
In my opinion the war shouldve ended with immediate rem,oval of troops after Suddam's capture. Then it turned to other reasons and what not.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:15 pm

"Whether he was Russian, or Asian, American, or Canadian, he set off a b.omb, k.illed 3 people, injured however many others, and put an entire city on lockdown.  I'd say that deserves death."
 
 
The United States is upset when there are 2000 or so people killed in an attack, and gives the name "terrorist" to the group responsible. However, the United States has constantly bombed several places, and are responsible for over a hundred thousand innocent lives in the past 9 years. 
 
Need I bring up Vietnam? 
 
 
 
So what makes this guy any worse than us?

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:17 pm

"I don't care if he's a citizen or not.  He is a t.errorist, a m.urderer, and a truly evil man.  If any person, citizen or not, did what he did, I'd be all for the death penalty for that person too. 
An eye for an eye... "
 
 
Ahhhh, but whether being a citizen or not defines where you stand the death penalty or jail. Also which state you committed the acts of violence in decides that. He is in civil court, not federal court.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:22 pm

Then  again, we don't intentionally bomb civilians. terrorists do. Civilians just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. For terrorists, they don't care so long as their point is made. No matter the cost of life. 
 
 
In my opinion, the 19 year old, should stand a fair trial, and then should look in the eyes of every single person he hurt, families, and victims alike, and tell them that what he did, he thought was justified. If he can do that without flinching, I will give him credit and respect him for something not many of us could do. Then after that I'd like to see him escorted to the farthest prison from Boston in the middle of nowhere, where he can live the rest of his life in jail. Or just skip the jail sentence and go for the Death Penalty. 
 
 
I have no remorse for him, but I don't condem someone for their beliefs. 

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Ok, now I'm done. Hahaha, that is my opinion. Please don't take that the wrong way. 
 
 
Rant over.

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Gryffindor, no, I don't believe most of that.  I have school to do now, I'll break it down later.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 6:17 pm

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough. I don't care about the death penalty as a precedent. If he dies, fine, if not, life in prison is good too. What I'm concerned about was the denial of the Miranda rights and classification as an enemy combatant. If we kill him that's fine by me- but we need to follow due process of law. He has the same rights as everyone else who is accused of murder.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 24, 2013 at 9:46 pm

His status as Enemy combatant was dropped, and his Miranda rights were read to him soon after. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 25, 2013 at 9:06 pm

Good.         

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Sorry this took me so long.


“So you are going to distrust an entire culture and religion because of extremeists. Muslims are a peaceful religion.”

No, I don’t distrust the entire culture, Gryffindor.  I guess it kind of sounded like that; my apologies.  What I was saying was that practically my whole life has been in the shadow of 9/11 recovery and aftermath, which has had an impact upon me and my way of thinking.  Doesn’t mean I automatically distrust all Muslims, it’s just that I also am aware that there are enough e.xtremists to threaten my country, and that’s a bit disturbing to me.

I must ask, because this is the second time I’ve seen this term, what’s the significance of the Westboro Baptists?  At risk of sounding uninformed, I’ve never heard of them.
Warrior, you would have him killed for something he believes in?

No, I would not have him killed for something he believes in.  I would have him killed for the actions that those beliefs caused him to take.  We did intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I don’t believe that that is our job, but why are they complaining?  We freed them of a dictator and gave them democracy.  I personally believe that we should keep to ourselves.  I also believe that we should throw out all the politicians next election and start fresh.  Does that mean I’m going to set off a bomb at a huge (inter)national event to prove my point?  Heck.  No.

However the war should have ended, it didn’t.  I’m sorry that some perceive it as unjust, but get over it.  Stop k.illing Americans and we’ll stop k.illing the Iraqis.  Sound fair?

The United States is upset when there are 2000 or so people killed in an attack, and gives the name "terrorist" to the group responsible. However, the United States has constantly bombed several places, and are responsible for over a hundred thousand innocent lives in the past 9 years…So what makes this guy any worse than us?”

Gryffindor, heck yeah we’re upset when 2000 or so people are killed in a terrorist attack!  Yes, we do bomb other places, but, like you said, we don’t fly planes into civilian buildings or intentionally b.omb civilians.  So yeah, I’d say they’re worse than us.  When we declare war, or others declare war on us, it is with the understanding that many SOLDIERS’ lives will be lost on both sides, and that civilians may be accidental casualties if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.  When there is a t.errorist attack, it is a deliberate act in which they m.urder innocent civilians to prove their point.

“Ahhhh, but whether being a citizen or not defines where you stand the death penalty or jail. Also which state you committed the acts of violence in decides that. He is in civil court, not federal court.

I understand that.  What I was saying is that I’m all for the death penalty anyway and I think it unfortunate that a m.urderer cannot be justly punished.

“In my opinion, the 19 year old, should stand a fair trial, and then should look in the eyes of every single person he hurt, families, and victims alike, and tell them that what he did, he thought was justified. If he can do that without flinching, I will give him credit and respect him for something not many of us could do.”

I disagree respectfully, Gryffindor.  If the 19-year-old can look the victims’ families and tell them that he thought his actions were justified without flinching, that deserves no respect.  That only makes him less human and more of a pig.  If he can say that without remorse or with pride…That’s not right.

“I'd like to see him escorted to the farthest prison from Boston in the middle of nowhere, where he can live the rest of his life in jail. Or just skip the jail sentence and go for the Death Penalty.”

Yeah.  I’ll go for that.

 

One more rant, then I’ll leave you in peace: My inner grammar N.azi hates you.  I’m so tempted to rewrite your entire post(s) with correct grammar just because, but I won’t because I’m in the middle of school and must needs get to it. ;-) (Don’t take that the wrong way, I’m mostly teasing.  I warned you about the N.aziness…)

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Gryffindor replied...
May 2, 2013 at 6:10 pm

The Westboro BAptists are idiots who believes the America is going to he.ll. God hates Fags and soldiers. Soldiers die for nothing. Blah blah blah blah. Google them, you will hate them immediately.


I disregard grammar when I'm typing out a heated argument.


You have to understand from extremists point of view, that what they think is morally right. They think terrorist acts are the only way to get through to people. Get the message across. In most cases they are correct, which is a sad truth. Wish it weren't so. I can't condemn a terrorist right off the back for the actions. They think they are morally in the right, while we think they are morally wrong. Vice versa when we meddle in the affairs of their people. Yes, their actions are acts of terror and are horrendous, but to them, this is payback.

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Gryffindor replied...
May 2, 2013 at 6:11 pm

The Westboro BAptists are idi.ots who believes that America is going to he.ll. God hates F.ags and soldiers. Soldiers die for nothing. Blah blah blah blah. Google them, you will hate them immediately.
 
 
I disregard grammar when I'm typing out a heated argument.
 
 
You have to understand from extremists point of view, that what they think is morally right. They think terr.orist acts are the only way to get through to people. Get the message across. In most cases they are correct, which is a sad truth. Wish it weren't so. I can't condemn a terro.rist right off the back for the actions. They think they are morally in the right, while we think they are morally wrong. Vice versa when we meddle in the affairs of their people. Yes, their actions are acts of terr.or and are horrendous, but to them, this is payback.

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 2, 2013 at 6:26 pm

My God, what a horrible group.
Disregarding grammar nullifies your point in a heated argument.  Just sayin’. ;-)
T.errorists believe they are in the right.  Westboro Baptists also believe they are in the right.  Why can we hate the Westboro Baptist Church but not the Muslim e.xtremists?  Because it’s not politically correct, or what?

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