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Boston Massacre All Over Again - Immigration Debate!

WarriorPuella posted this thread...
Apr. 20, 2013 at 3:28 pm

So, I was reading yesterday that this whole thing with the Boston b.ombing could have actually been prevented.
In 2009, the older Tsarnaev brother (I will refer to them as "older" and "younger," 'cause I have no idea what their first names are) was convicted for domestic violence charges and could have been deported.  However, President Obama did not deem him a big enough threat, and let him stay.
Then, to make matters worse, the younger brother was granted citizenship on September 11, 2012.
They have since found evidence that the brothers had direct ties with al-Qaida (sp?) and Bin Laden.  The brothers are known to have attended one of many worldwide terrorist training camps that were started by Bin Laden.  Despite the overwhelming evidence, these papers were only found after the Boston b.ombings.
This, to me, should prompt a massive change in our immigration policy.  I believe that, especially now, we need to make stricter immigration laws.  I don't pretend to have this all figured out, but this is an incomplete model of my ideal policy:
1. All immigrants are subject to a thorough background check (whether they are just immigrants, they have a work visa, or they are seeking asylum).  This should apply to everyone over the age of 10.
2. If any immigrant commits any crime in the United States before he/she is granted citizenship, he or she shall be deported.
3. The borders should be secured, and all illegal immigrants should be deported immediately.  Think of the Arizona laws.
Please post your thoughts and your own ideal immigration laws.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 20, 2013 at 7:05 pm

What are your sources? I hadn't heard any confirmation that the two were connected with Al Qaida or Bin Laden. And getting their citizenship on September 11th doesn't mean anything. It wasn't their choice when the ceremony was held- the government just picked a convenient time and told them to show up.
They aren't evil because they were immigrants. They were evil because they were evil.

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WarriorPuella replied...
Apr. 20, 2013 at 8:30 pm

I'm not saying that it meant anything when they got their citizenship- I just thought it was kind of adding insult to injury, considering everything.  Nor am I saying that immigrants are evil, or that that's why they are evil, I'm only saying that it makes me feel rather insecure about how easy it is for t.errorists  to get to this country.  Legally or illegally.  Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
My source: h t t p://ktar.c om/23/1628322/Judicial-Watch-One-of-Boston-suspects-should-have-been-deported
I got it from Drudge Report yesterday.  There's more info here: h t t p://w w w.drudgereport.c om/.  Scroll down a bit and you'll see a ton of info...

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 20, 2013 at 9:20 pm

1.Immigrants and thorough background checks is hard. Especially for those who were born in a village of South Africa(for instance) have no papers whatso ever. and Have lived in a hut most of their lives. 
2.I'll agree with that. With a minimum of a year before being allowed to return again.
3. There will always be illegal immigrants. Always. You could have the entire U.S. Military stand shoulder to shoulder across the boundaries of the U.S. and people would still get in. 

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Murcielago replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 10:39 am

My only thought on this is what my good native american friend says every time I talk about immigration.... "I'll help you pack your bags"
If Obama didn't deem these guys a threat than that is on him, not their ability to 1) pass the citizenship test and 2) because the immigarion policy isn't stricter.
And look, lets be honest, what ter.rorist is going to go "well... well darn, I just really wanted to k.ill some Americans but now that these immigration laws are stricter I guess that plan is off."

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Apr. 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm

That is ridiculous. Why should everyone have to suffer for the poor choices made by the crazies? Americans were illegal immigrants all those years ago. America is a nation of immigrants from all over the world. We stole this land from the native Americans. Is everyone forgetting that? There is no way to prevent illegal immigration, but if the government wants to keep track of them all, if anything they should make it easier to become a citizen. Why do you think people cross the border illegally? They don't have the resources to go through the law. It's hard to understand sometimes how difficult life really is when we have all these privileges.

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Murcielago replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm

^^^^^ The fact that we are all immigrants is what my Native American friend always teases me about, it usually ends up in a battle of us going back and forth just saying "You people!" its funny.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 5:34 pm

Tighten border control all because 2 Chechin men decided to be terrorists. So all the other some hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year, should be excluded from the home of the free, because 2 guys decided to be idiots. No

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KatsK replied...
Apr. 22, 2013 at 7:58 pm

I agree with Sorla. And even if they were perfectly good people, they would be committing a crime just by coming here according to our government. If all they're looking for is a safe place or a job so thry can feed their families, why shouldn't we allow that? Why should it matter where people are born if they need help, and we can grant it to them? If we took down the border security, we'd have more money and many fewer South Americans would die trying to cross.

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WarriorPuella replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 7:26 pm

I never said that anyone should be excluded.  I said that we should have a better policy.  Read the guidelines above and you'll see that I don't want anyone to be restricted from coming here, save the terrorists.  I'm only saying that we should look farther into an immigrant's background before admitting them into the country, and that we shouldn't just assimilate the illegals the way we're doing.  That means we shouldn't have all our signs in English and Spanish, and we should deport those that we do find.  I'm not saying we can stop it completely, but we can help.
If you're going to be upset about innocents suffering because of the crazies, visit the airport and get frisked, then get back to me.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 8:07 pm

What's wrong with assimilation? There's plenty of legal immigrants that don't speak English. And we don't have an official national language.
Also, the airport thing is irrelevant to immigration. The only way to fix that would be to ban all foreigners  (tourists, businesspeople, legal immigrants) from ever entering an American airport- which kind of defeats the purpose of an airport. Yes, I've been to an airport and been frisked- and miraculously, I was somehow not scarred for life. It may not have been a whole lot of fun,  but it beats discrimination.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 23, 2013 at 9:16 pm

In 2030 it is estimated that with the way immigration is now, the Southern part of the U.S. be fluent in Spanish as a second language, if not first. And the the South will be predominately Latino. Why you might ask? Well because most people come to America looking for jobs and a better life. Why are there so few jobs for Americans? Because immigrants take them. Why do immigrants take them? Because we as Americans are too lazy to get off our rear ends to work and have to live off welfare. So all the jobs that would normally go to the people living off welfare, go to the Immigrants. 
It pains me to hear when people gripe about there not being enough jobs because immigrants take them. Well duh, thats true because we don't get to them first, too lazy.

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