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RarelyJadedThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 19, 2013 at 9:57 pm

Your FACE is dramatic ^-^

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 19, 2013 at 10:18 pm

Um, hey sensible, calm, plain-Jane, TeenInk.Goderator, have you ever read where it says the wife leaves her parent's house and cleaves to her husband and the two of them become one flesh?  I'd go look it up for you but I'm too lazy at the moment... anyway, you get where I'm going with this.  :P
 
Overdramatic is not a word I'm called very often, by the way.  (>,<) 

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Mar. 20, 2013 at 1:33 pm

Luk_16:13
 
 
"No servant is able to serve two masters, for either he shall hate the one and love the other, or else he shall cling to the one and despise the other. You are not able to serve Elohim and mammon."
 
Mat_6:24
 
 
"No one is able to serve two masters, for either he shall hate the one and love the other, or else he shall cleave to the one and despise the other. You are not able to serve Elohim and mammon
 
 
Shalom Alechiem and Barucha!

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RarelyJadedThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Mar. 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm

I pledge allegiance, to the mammon, of the United States of America....

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Mar. 20, 2013 at 6:32 pm

Your MOM is dramatic.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Mar. 20, 2013 at 6:59 pm

On a more serious note, it's fine if you don't say the pledge for religious reasons. (I believe Jehovah's Witnesses don't for similar reasons.) If you don't say it because you dislike the current administration, though, then I think you misunderstand the pledge. And if you criticize others for saying it, that's just annoying.

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Mar. 20, 2013 at 8:04 pm

i'm not critizing others, everyone has the right to beleive whatever they want to beleive, however when you post on the P&T or the News & Issues forums, you have to be ready for a debate...
 
alright i'll break the pledge down and explain why i don't say it, all right?
 
I pledge allegiance to the United Stated of America, ok so here you're saying that you are pledging yourself to your country which basically means you own me, just like wearing a porperty of old navy shirt, it's property of the USA.
 
and to the republic for which it stands, ok so here you're saying that the republic is just, which it isn't.in my opinion of course.
 
one nation under G-d, this country ain't under G-d, it's under a very domonic system. my opinion of course.
 
indivisable, this country is dividing before our verry own eyes...
 
with liberty and justice for all, if you haven't noticed our rights are being taken away, there is no justice to all. we would have to have complete tolerance which is literally impossible cause there's so many stubborn people out there, such as my self, that will not have religous tolerance.(my opinion of course)
 
well that is why I don't say the pledge:)
 
Shalom Alechiem and Barucha!

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Mar. 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm

It's not giving the country ownership. It's voluntarily offering my loyalty.

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 13, 2013 at 3:24 pm

Yes.  Yes I do.  Every time.  To the point where if I'm at home and I hear the national anthem, I still stand up.  I try to remember to say the pledge every day, though I've mostly failed thus far.
The thing to remember: I have no allegiance to the government.  None.  I do, however, have a heck of a lot of allegiance to my country, and no amount of corruption or government will take that away.  I only have alligance "to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands."

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CollinF replied...
Apr. 13, 2013 at 3:35 pm

PB:
 
*Pumps shotgun*
 
Get Out.
 
>:(

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm

Only just saw your previous post, packerbacker12_aka_the_illiterate. Here is my response:


“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,” does not signal that the U.S. owns me. It says that I believe the Founding values of the U.S.A. and that I pledge allegiance to it. Allegiance does not mean ownership. Dictionary.com defines it as follows:
“allegiance, n. 1. the loyalty of a citizen to his or her government or of a subject to his or her sovereign 2. loyalty or devotion to some person, group, cause, or the like.” Not ownership. Loyalty. Yes it does say to the government, which I suppose is an outright contradiction to my last post, but it is saying “to the flag of the United States of America.” What does the U.S. stand for, or what did it stand for originally? A just government which is to be overthrown by the citizens upon its corruption.


“and to the Republic for which it stands:” You say that the republic is no longer just. The reason? It’s not a republic anymore. It’s a democracy. Yes there is a difference. A democracy is ruled by the majority in all matters (ancient Athens was the most radical democracy, and it resulted in the execution of Socrates). A republic, which is what this country was founded to be, and also what Rome was, is based upon individual rights. Thus, when you say that the Republic isn’t just, you aren’t realizing that it has ceased to exist thanks to the Progressives.


“One nation under God:” Yes it is. The U.S. was founded on the divine rights of all human beings to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That’s about as Godly as you get.


“Indivisiable:” Perhaps it is dividing. But “A house divided against itself cannot stand” (Abraham Lincoln). Thus, we have come to a crossroads where we must choose or else fall. Thus, it will again be united and perhaps indivisible. That was the hope when founding this country.


“With liberty and justice for all.” Our rights are being taken away, but there is still justice. We still have life. We still have our liberty, mostly. If you want to dispute that, please look at the Soviet Union, WWII Germany, and other such oppressed countries before saying that we do not have liberty. We’re in a bad situation, but nowhere near that. We can still pursue our happiness. I do it, my parents have done it, and we have succeeded. I am living proof that the American Dream still is alive. As for tolerance…There is none. Really, there never has been. The U.S. was not founded on religious tolerance (accepting a different religion), it was founded on religious freedom (the promise that you can practice whatever religion you wish without persecution from your neighbor or government). I may not agree with liberals or Progressives, but I’m not going to kill them or persecute them. They may not agree with me, but they won’t do it either. Neither party has that right.
Valete.

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WarriorPuellaThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Apr. 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm

PB:


“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,” does not signal that the U.S. owns me.  It says that I believe the Founding values of the U.S.A. and that I pledge allegiance to it.  Allegiance does not mean ownership.  Dictionary.c om defines it as follows:
“allegiance, n.  1. the loyalty of a citizen to his or her government or of a subject to his or her sovereign  2. loyalty or devotion to some person, group, cause, or the like.”  Not ownership.  Loyalty.  Yes it does say to the government, which I suppose is an outright contradiction to my last post, but it is saying “to the flag of the United States of America.”  What does the U.S. stand for, or what did it stand for originally?  A just government which is to be o.verthrown by the citizens upon its corruption.


“and to the Republic for which it stands:”  You say that the republic is no longer just.  The reason?  It’s not a republic anymore.  It’s a democracy.  Yes there is a difference.  A democracy is ruled by the majority in all matters (ancient Athens was the most r.adical democracy, and it resulted in the e.xecution of Socrates).  A republic, which is what this country was founded to be, and also what Rome was, is based upon individual rights.  Thus, when you say that the Republic isn’t just, you aren’t realizing that it has ceased to exist thanks to the Progressives.


“One nation under God:” Yes it is.  The U.S. was founded on the divine rights of all human beings to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  That’s about as Godly as you get.


“Indivisible:” Perhaps it is dividing.  But “A house divided against itself cannot stand” (Abraham Lincoln).  Thus, we have come to a crossroads where we must choose or else fall.  Thus, it will again be united and perhaps indivisible.  That was the hope when founding this country.


“With liberty and justice for all.”  Our rights are being taken away, but there is still justice.  We still have life.  We still have our liberty, mostly.  If you want to dispute that, please look at the U.S.S.R., WWII Germany, and other such oppressed countries before saying that we do not have liberty.  We’re in a bad situation, but nowhere near that.  We can still pursue our happiness.  I do it, my parents have done it, and we have succeeded.  I am living proof that the American Dream still is alive.  As for tolerance…There is none.  Really, there never has been.  The U.S. was not founded on religious tolerance (accepting a different religion), it was founded on religious freedom (the promise that you can practice whatever religion you wish without p.ersecution from your neighbor or government).  I may not agree with liberals or Progressives, but I’m not going to k.ill them or p.ersecute them.  They may not agree with me, but they won’t do it either.  Neither party has that right.
Vale et pax tecum.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 14, 2013 at 12:20 am

Breece and Warrior pretty much said it in a nutshell. On a side note, remember this was made in 1892. So the entity of the pledge was thought of back then, so please don't act as if this is all a lie as if the Pledge was written today.
 
PB, I'm with Collin, I just need to find my shotgun.

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 14, 2013 at 12:21 am

O and imagine, coulda sworn I had added Imagine in my last post though.........

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Apr. 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm

I agree with whoever said this before.  I am not pledging my alliagence to the government, I'm pledging to the flag and too America.
And putting my hand over my heart depends, if someone is in a military style uniform(LIke Young Marine, CAP, the actual military, ROTC stuff) you are not supposed to put your hand on your heart or say the pledge actually...all you do si stand at attention and remain silent. (Your uniform alreadys hows your pledge).  This is in accordance to the Flag code...

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 15, 2013 at 5:21 pm

Before anyone goes off on how the military owes allegiance to the government, no they don't they it to our nation. Our Government just dictates what we do. 

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Apr. 15, 2013 at 5:53 pm

The military swears to uphold and protect the Constitution and not the government. 

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 15, 2013 at 5:55 pm

Yep yep yep

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CollinF replied...
Apr. 15, 2013 at 8:27 pm

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*Pumps shotgun*
 
He can get out too.
 
>:(

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Gryffindor replied...
Apr. 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm

If we keep pumping our shotguns we won't have any shot left.

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