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Gryffindor posted this thread...
Jan. 15, 2013 at 4:03 pm

I haven't followed the process so far, but from my understanding people are asking the goverment to place police officers in school buildings so as to limit,if not prevent, the carnage that would happen like at the school in Connecticut. Some are going to such lengths as one Principal in Texas is. He is allowing all of his teachers carry firearms with them in school and on them. His reasoning is,"I don't want to have to call their(children) parents and tell them their kid is dead. I want to call them and tell them that the gunman is dead." 
 
To me that is supreme idiocy and this guy is now at the top of my hit list. 
 
Anyways, How do you think this should go. Should there be security? If so how and why. If not I'm still curious as to how you would prevent this from happening. 
 
Bear in mind, that providing security at any school, public or private, because it would be a federal law, would mean more police officers, which ultimately means more money, which means more taxes, which means bigger government. Something people don't like that much.

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm

I think that it really all depends on which school.  My school has 2 police officers that patrol inside it regularly anyways (I'm in highschool by the way).  We also have ID's, locked front doors, and a process in which visitors are forced to register in the office before going anywhere else, along with constant monitoring in hallways by teachers and administrators.  
 
I think more than likely the school in Connecticut that suffered the attack was a relatively small, poorly funded school with little security.  In schools like that, I think more officers and tighter measures need to be in order. 
 
However allowing teachers to carry firearms into school is definitely not the solution and I agree with you wholeheartedly.  
 
Police officers, sure, they should be able to have guns, but not teachers.  

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jan. 15, 2013 at 6:11 pm

I agree. Even if you assume that every teacher in the world is responsible, trustworthy, and mentally sound (yeah, right), you're still placing dangerous objects in close proximity to children. Kindergarteners get curious, preteen boys get dared by their friends. Even if arming teachers eliminated mass attacks entirely (also a questionable assumption, given that people who do that kind of thing aren't usually mentally sound and are sometimes trying to get killed) there would be too many accidents to make it worth it.

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 16, 2013 at 11:46 am

Why do you automatically assume all police officers are responsible, trustworthy, and mentally sound?

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 16, 2013 at 2:29 pm

JunieSparrow:
 
Welp, let's look at the bigger picture.
 
The reason I'd rather have police officers carry guns than teachers is because...
 
Police officers:
 
Are required to be trained in firearms
Are most often trained in dealing with criminal situations
Undergo frequent psychological inspections
Are trusted with fighting crime every day, why not with fighting crime in schools?  
 
Reasons I don want teachers to have guns:
 
Might not necessarily be trained
Don't have to undergo psychological evaluation as frequently
Are confronted by and harassed by the kids in schools much more often than police (more likely to have a motive)
 
So basically, someone has to have a gun in schools, in case some crazy shooter appears, and I'd rather have it be a police officer than anyone else.  
 
Thanks!

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Jan. 16, 2013 at 6:18 pm

Police officers who aren't responsible, trustworthy, and mentally sound get fired.
Teachers who aren't responsible, trustworthy, or mentally sound get tenure. (But that's an entirely different debate.)
To be brief, I agree with Breece. There are many more safeguards for armed police than armed teachers. Also police don't do the majority of their work surrounded by hundreds of small children, whereas that's a teacher's job description.

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CollinF replied...
Jan. 16, 2013 at 7:35 pm

Imagine:
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. So true.

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JunieSparrowThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Jan. 18, 2013 at 1:46 pm

Sorry to take so long replying. 
 
Breece:  Let me take each of your points in turn. 
 
1.  Firearms training.  A policeman shoots a minimum of 40 rounds each year to qualify.  Does that sound like a lot? 
 
2.  Dealing with criminal situations.  I don't know much about how police are trained, but from what I've observed and what others have told me, the typical training involves "control of the situation."  The cops I've come in contact with seem very confrontational and eager to escalate any situation.  This is not to say all of them are like this of course, but I'm slightly skeptical of their negotiation abilities. 
 
"Sure," you say, "but at least they have some training."  That may be, but as long as you're talking about paying for police in every schoolroom, why not just train the teachers?
 
3.  Psychological inspections.  I don't know anything about this, so I'm not really qualified to comment. 
 
4.  Trusted with fighting crime every day.  That may be.  They're usually not around when you need them. 
 
5.  In terms of teachers having a motive, I guess it seems we don't hear too many stories of teachers murdering their students, even though they could all have access to guns anyway.  I don't know what security processes public schools have for teachers, but I suspect a teacher without a gun could harm a child about as easily as one with a gun. 
 
I guess all this neglects the real issue.  If you don't protect yourself, you'll have trouble, because you can't always have armed guards. 

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Jan. 18, 2013 at 9:13 pm

I just want to say that there is no way to determine how "at risk" a school is for some psycho to go all wild west. I live in what could be considered a dangerous neighborhood, as guns are fired every day and people tend to get mugged a lot. We have never had a school shooting, ever. Kids sometimes bring guns to school, and hardly any of them ever get caught. Nearly everyone over the age of sixteen is armed in one way or another as protection. By arming the general population, we all have a better chance for survival. Random people I barely know have saved me from sticky situations, and if those people weren't armed at the time I probably wouldn't be here. I've offered help to people in need as well, and I can truthfully say that a cop is never looking out for citizens like we are. They try to take our guns away constantly, which would leave us completely defenseless against criminals and the drug and gun runners. If our ability to defend ourselves is take away, organized crime will rob us blind and kill anyone who gets in their way. AND the cops wouldn't do anything because they get paid off by all the "entrepreneurs".  A cop is looking out for themselves and their job. Civilians are looking out for themselves, their families, their friends, their neighbors, and strangers. I believe in a fully armed society. You may say this is Anarchy, that not everyone can be trusted, well let me tell you, that the only people you have to be afraid of are those in powerful positions. The world is a cruel place, I know for a fact there are people out there who are absolutely insane or pure evil, but the rest of us will always rule them out. I am under the impression that anyone in a school that knows how to use a gun should have one if these school shootings are becoming a trend, even the students. There are more people like me out there then you would ever believe, armed to the teeth and waiting for the next time we need to defend ourselves or someone else, and I don't know about anyone else, but I have never shot anyone who didn't deserve it. 

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Gryffindor replied...
Jan. 20, 2013 at 6:37 pm

Cops have it rough everyday. They get so much sh.it from other people, no matter what they are doing. People always disrespect them and don't acknowledge their presence or their significance. So if a cop shows some hostility toward you, or is eager to step up the violence, there is a strong motive behind it. 

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Gryffindor replied...
Jan. 20, 2013 at 6:47 pm

I would love to have maybe 3 or 4 cops on campus daily. My dad told me a story,"son, when i was your age, we had police officers that walked the sidewalks with batons and patrolled. When it got late they would remind us that we needed to get home. Sometimes they would offer us a ride home. They were quick to stop fights, and most people felt more secure because they got to know the police officer and he got to know them."
 
If we had THIS in schools, where kids got to know the police officer, crime would be brought down fast. The cop would know whats going on better with the kids, the kids would trust cops more. I kinda wish to see this as well. 

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