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Sorla_the_Space_Cowboy posted this thread...
Nov. 28, 2012 at 11:30 pm

So I understand I am a little late, but unfortunately that tends to be my fashion. Recreational use of marijuana has been legalized in Colorado and Washington, and come on, about time. I'm just surprised it wasn't legal to begin with. But I think we can compromise here, they can continue to make drugs illegal if it helps them sleep at night, and exclude marijuana from "drugs". It's a plant. Not a drug. Pot should be legal in all states, I really don't understand what gives the government the right to make plants illegal. It's a plant, it grows everywhere, like weeds. So until then, millions of us are gonna keep smoking no matter what the law is. The American people's money is wasted on enforcing these bizarre laws. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Nov. 29, 2012 at 6:54 pm

Um, poppies and coca are also plants.

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Nov. 29, 2012 at 9:45 pm

Poppies and coca plants aren't illegal. And it is a tedious process to make drugs out of either of them, a long, resource consuming process. The government wouldn't outlaw either of them anyways because they need poppies for morphine and coca plants for anesthetics, sometimes they import poppies from the middle east however, in an attempt to keep poppy seeds from the public or something. I'm sure the ATF's reasoning makes sense to them. The effects of heroin, and cocaine, and even legal pain killers like morphine are drastic, and even fatal. I can understand why someone would be weary to have coca plants and opium poppies in the general public, but pot has never killed anyone and has a history as a medicinal herb in most cultures around the world. All drugs have some sort of natural background to them. LSD was originally created from ergotamine fungus. Penicillin and some antibiotics were also created with mold. The only drugs that don't have some sort of natural background are those "new agey" drugs that come in pill form or blotter form and are extremely questionable. I've only come in direct contact with a few of these drugs, but I'd sooner shoot myself in the foot then attempt to take one of them. They scare me. They had weird names like smiles, 2C, jelly, and my personal favorite, electric moonbeam. It's the artificial drugs that will ruin people, not marijuana. And I'm really sick of the government feeling that they have the right to outlaw it. 

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ZephyrVon replied...
Nov. 30, 2012 at 9:20 am

Effects on the Heart
Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug. This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in aging populations or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.
Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer; however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers. Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.
Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.
Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement, including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status. Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

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human6 replied...
Nov. 30, 2012 at 10:44 am

It was outlawed to attack free speech, hippies were protesting the Nixon, and he couldn't outlaw them, so he banned pot.
source: History channel drugs special

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human6 replied...
Nov. 30, 2012 at 10:48 am

heart: If you drink 3 monsters you will get a heart attack.
lungs: conceded 
daily life: so does bo.oze, the internet and allot of other stuff. 

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Nov. 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm

What makes people consider pot a serious drug? I just don't get it. People who are stoned have much better control over their actions then people who are drunk, and alcohol is legal. Why can't pot be legal. I mean enforcing it is a problem within itself. A lot of people smoke pot in America in all age ranges. A lot of people don't smoke pot as well, and I can respect that, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on other people. The government has no right to try and outlaw a part of nature. Our forefathers left England to escape oppressive law, our nation was built on the idea of personal freedoms. As long as pot smokers aren't harming anyone, it's really none of the government's business. 

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Breece6 replied...
Nov. 30, 2012 at 4:27 pm

I don't have a problem with legalization, I wouldn't do it due to medical reasons but it's not like it's c.oke or anything.  I have plenty of friends who do it even with the illegalization, I think the benefits outweight the negatives.  
I think it should be treated like alcohol though (i.e. it should be illegal to drink while high or operate machinery and stuff.)  

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JunieSparrow replied...
Dec. 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Electric Moonbeam........... Lolol. 
We should outlaw all drugs.  Really, we should reinstate Prohibition.  That way we wouldn't have so many drunks driving around on the roads causing accidents.  When they repealed Prohibition, there weren't so many cars; we need to bring it back so everyone's safer. 
Also pokeweed (a nuisance plant where I live) gives you hallucinations when you rub it on your eyelide; we need to outlaw it too. 
And cigarettes.  Think about how much money the government has to spend on people with lung cancer. 
And pain killers.  They need to be outlawed too.  I have a friend who is addicted to them.  It's terrrrrrible. 
......................  [/end sarcasm]
Why do we have such a huge problem with drug gangs on the border?  If we could grow our own more easily, why would there be such a huge violent trade system?  Who cares about who smokes pot?  Follow the money... oh hey!  The cops get to keep confiscated stuff!  Hmmm... 

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Dec. 1, 2012 at 9:56 pm

I agree! We give so much money to foreign cartels that abuse civilians in their countries. Our economy would be saved if we grew pot here. Hate to brag, but American weed is some of the best in the world, much better then most strains in latin America and the Middle East. Cultivation of marijuana in the states would provide jobs, put the drug cartels out of business, strengthen our economy and increase the standard of living in places like Appalachia where a lot of pot is grown. 

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Dec. 1, 2012 at 10:35 pm

As a conservative through-and-through, this issue really kinda perplexes me. I definitely know I agree ma.rijuana should be legal; it's not too much (if at all) worse than al.cohol. Of course I pesonally don't plan on ever using it, just like I will probably never drink.
The problem for me is the harder stuff. I don't think it's the government's job to decide what people can do  to themselves, but at the same time I can't justify allowing people to do something that really DOES explicitly hurt them, like the synthetic stuff or even co.caine, which has no medical benefits.
I think the best course of action is to have no federal restrictions on drug use and allow individual states to experiment with what works and what doesn't, which is basically what is happening now. The trend certainly seems to be toward decriminilization; we'll see how well that works out in individual states, and then the rest of the country will do what works!
But back to the original premise of the thread: I'm happy about the news. Now we'll really see if people's theories about "It's just like Prohibition; decriminalize and everything will get better" are actually justifited in real life.

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Dec. 9, 2012 at 9:46 pm

I don't like marijuana, or any drug for that matter. But if people are addicted they're going to get it any way. By legalizing marijuana the government takes it out of the hands of criminals. This diminishes the criminals' power, and allows the government to tax the heck out of it to spend money on schools and stuff.

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beachychick replied...
Dec. 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm

I'm not for or against it, but in my area they legalized it then it was illegal again and now it's only allowed for medicinal purposes. I'm fine with that. But I wanted to say that when marijuana was illegal there were murders and assaults and a lot of violence because druggies were so desperate to get some. But when it was legal that type of crime went down. Just my two cents.

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Dec. 12, 2012 at 12:54 am

Ok, I need to clarify something. Marijuana is NOT addictive. I don't know why, but it isn't. There isn't a single person who has smoked pot that has gotten addicted, and if someone claims they are addicted, they are lying and probably want attention or something. If people are murdering each other over weed, they are thinking about the money involved from selling it, not smoking it themselves. True pot heads are peaceful people. I've been smoking since I was thirteen or so, and ever since I started smoking, I stopped initiating fist fights, I became less aggressive, I became more easy going and generally a happier person. And off topic but not out of context, my last pot plants of the season have recently died before I could get them indoors. I am incredibly sad, and the worst part is I can't just go to the store and get more plants, cause it's illegal or something. What has the world come to?

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Dec. 12, 2012 at 9:41 pm

Aren't you worried about health problems? From what I can tell they're about the same as tobacco. And every time my dad tries to subtly go outside for a cigarette I get super worried. It's kind of scary really. I know deep down that he's going to get cancer or some other tobacco related disease someday, and it scares the hel.l out of me.

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Dec. 14, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Sure, people who smoke can get health problems from smoking, but that's what personal freedom is all about. If someone wants to smoke, they should have every right to smoke. Marijuana is not the same as tobacco. Tobacco has additives, everything from rat poison, to fiber glass, to Capsicum Oleoresin, which is used in pepper spray. Marijuana is only THC and related naturally occurring chemicals. I'm not saying smoking pot is entirely healthy, but it's healthier then tobacco. 

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Confuzzled5 replied...
Dec. 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm

I guess I put my forum in the wrong place, but anyone who wants to see a forum about the Newtown Shooting/Banning Guns should go to basic chats.

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Caesar123 replied...
Dec. 27, 2012 at 12:34 pm

I doubt anyone will see my comment all the way down here at the bottom, but here it goes anyways. Drug legalization is a sticky subject. It’s illegal to buy pot in this country, but you can buy a bottle of booze and get equally high. For me, I doubt I’d ever do either unless I was held up at gunpoint, but it still seems hypocritical that someone could do drugs and go to jail, but not for drinking.
            On the flip side, alcohol has been around in this country since, like, before it even was a country, so I can see how it’s been grandfathered in over the years. Plus, we’ve tried banning alcohol before, and instead of bringing prosperity it ushered in an era of lawlessness.
            Truthfully, I think we can’t go state by state with this. You’ve either got to legalize pot throughout the whole country, or just let it sit. Truthfully, I don’t see why pot should be legal, but I’m open to suggestions.

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RedsFan23 replied...
Dec. 27, 2012 at 9:53 pm

I'm the guy who's previously been posting with no name. Anyway, I'm curious why states can't decide on their own on this issue. I'm not arguing or anything, just wondering why you say that.

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Confuzzled5 replied...
Dec. 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm

Sorla, I admire your debating skills, both in this issue, and the guns issue. I love your strong opinion and headstrong attitude.

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