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The 1st Presidential Debate 2012

Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 14, 2012 at 12:26 pm

I'm not even voting. :( My birthday is ONE MONTH after election day! (Bangs head against desk in despair)

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radicalhonesty replied...
Oct. 14, 2012 at 3:49 pm

So what I'm going to say isn't exactly about the debate, but I feel it's important.
This election is not about Republicans against Democrats.  No one should go in thinking they're just going to vote for whatever party they traditionally vote for. 
This election is about what kind of America we want.  Do we want a hard-working America that places importance on values and liberties? Or do we want an America that relies on the government to give them money. 
The American dream has always been: work hard to give your children a better life.  That could change. 
What's wrong with being rich?  That used to be a good thing.  Romney worked hard for his money.  That should be congratulated, not frowned upon. 
Bottom Line: The future of our country is at stake.  If you don't care, look forward to not getting a job out of college, having trouble paying your student loans, and falling back on government help.  But if you do care, vote for a man with honor, integrity, and values.  Vote for Romney.
(I'm hoping people that actually can vote are reading this)

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Breece6 replied...
Oct. 15, 2012 at 6:10 am

I don't pay attention to debates much, but if we're making this a Romney Vs. Obama thread then I have to go for Obama.
My main reason is Obamacare, do you know how many countries in the world don't have universal healthcare?  Here's an actual source:
h ttp://ww w.huffingtonpost.c om/daniel-treadway/hate-obamacare-dont-worry_b_1634706.h tml
(remove the spaces) 
Pretty much every other civilized (1st world) country in the world (England, France, Italy, Japan, South Korea, etc.) have universal healthcare, because it works better.  
Just because people label something as "socialist" doesn't automatically make it bad, people who think like that are honestly just being shallow and uninformed.  
But back on topic, I like Obama better mostly because Obamacare, besides that I don't see a big difference between the two in regards to concerns I have.

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human6 replied...
Oct. 16, 2012 at 10:34 am

radical: nope, Obama and Romney are both agents of the ruling class, using the fist of government to screw us for the captialists

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radicalhonesty replied...
Oct. 20, 2012 at 11:05 am

Breece16: England, France, and Italy have it.  That's actually a great point.  Italy is going bankrupt! Look it up.  England and France are on their way.  in England, the universal health care system makes it almost impossible to choose your doctors, or see a doctor right away.  Only the cheapest medicines are available. 
Greece  has many government run programs.  These programs are the cause of its collapse.  They couldn't afford anything and their debt was too high.  But when they tried to cut the programs to save money, people rioted.  America is going down this same path if Obama gets re elected.
And yes, socialism is bad.  Every civilization that tried it has failed.  Look at it this way: You get an A on a test.  you worked hard for that A.  Another person got a B, they worked a little less than you did.  And another person failed, because they didn't try at all.  What if the teacher decided that was unfair, so she gave everyone an A?  What's the point of working hard if you'll be rewarded for laziness? And what if she decided to give everyone a B? You're above average, yet you get the same gradet as average and below average students.  Capitalism is amazing because if you work hard, you get rewarded.  Laziness isn't rewarded.  That's the way it should be.

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An-eloquent-leaf replied...
Oct. 20, 2012 at 5:21 pm


Two things~ 

One---what you described above is communism. Communism and socialism are two different ideas.

Two---America is one of only three developed nations without a universal system of healthcare. Sure, Italy and Greece, as you so mentioned, might be going down the hole, but the US is as well, and many other countries---who do have universal healthcare---are doing pretty well. 

"Among the OECD's [Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development] 30 members -- which include Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom---there are only three lacking universal health coverage. The other two happen to be Mexico and Turkey, which have the excuse of being poorer than the rest (and until the onset of the world economic crisis, Mexico was on the way to providing healthcare to all of its citizens). The third, of course, is [America]."

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Breece6 replied...
Oct. 23, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Economies are pretty much a global thing at this point, plenty of countries are dealing with recessions right now.  
Regardless, the British disagree with you on whether their healthcare system is better or not:
h ttp://articles.latimes.c om/2011/jun/13/world/la-fg-britain-health-care-2011061 3
Socialism and Communism are two different things, and regardless I disagree with your concept of the benefits of capitalism regardless.
Work isn't the only thing that gets you money in capitalism, having the right family does, being more physically or mentally fit in some way does, being born in the right area does, all number of things contribute to your success in capitalism.  Hard work will certainly improve your chances, but there's no such thing as a system without flaws.
Basically, over 40 million Americans have no healthcare, and almost every other 1st world country has universal healthcare for a reason, it's more practical.

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sorla replied...
Oct. 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm

The biggest problem here being you can only vote when you're 18. I support no government that doesn't allow younger people to be allowed to vote, most of them wouldn't anyways. The point is being able to have a say, this democracy thing that we Americans are so fond of. But it isn't even a democracy, we as the citizens do not choose who governs us. The electoral college picks the president. And then we don't even get a marginal say in this bureaucratic bullsh.it that we call a government, some of us don't even have that right, like people under the age of 18. We're a young country in a lot of debt with a lot of corruption. So basically we're doomed, but hey on the bright side that just gives us an excuse to party a little harder and go nuts. America!

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 28, 2012 at 6:20 pm

I agree we need to get rid of the electoral college. It's outdated and unfair. In fact, if Romney doesn't win, the other option I really want would be for him to get the popular vote and Obama to get the electoral college. I think that would provide the impetus to get rid of it. Then both parties would have had their presidential candidate lose even if they won the popular vote (because the same thing happened to the Democrats in 2000.)

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