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The 1st Presidential Debate 2012

Zithia posted this thread...
Oct. 7, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Your opinions?

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm

The entire time, it's really been Romney's race to lose, and he was doing a pretty good job of it for a while. But if he keeps up his performance and President Obama keeps struggling in the next two debates, then Romney might actually have a chance to win this thing after all.

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Zithia replied...
Oct. 7, 2012 at 9:31 pm

I was really shocked afterwards when I saw that many people were saying that Romney "won".  I thought that he was so vague throughout and not only contradicted himself in past interviews, but cotradicted things he was saying during the debate.  Obama was very clear, although he could have called Romney out on some of the lies.  I do think that Romney had a better 2 minute conclusion than Obama, but Romney is an all-around awful candidate so who cares?!

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Serena G. replied...
Oct. 7, 2012 at 10:38 pm

The point of these debates aren't to be clear! They are purely to convince someone that they might actually be of use to the country! Sorry if that sounds cynical, but that's the truth.

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Zithia replied...
Oct. 7, 2012 at 10:47 pm

I meant Obama was straight-foward: he told facts and gave legitimate evidence to back it up.  That is clear.  While Romney contradicted himself and the very little evidence that he provided was varified by reliable fact checkers to be either made up or out of context.  This election is setting a precedent for all future elections.  If Romney wins, it will be okay for politicians to say any b.s. they want in order to get elected and as a result the U.S. will inevitably fall apart. 
And, also, obviously it is important to be clear about your policies.  It is the only for a citizen to make an informed vote. 

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Oct. 8, 2012 at 9:45 am

Romney had far more specific facts and explanations than Obama. It was clear Romney came into the debate ready to combat and go after Obama's record. Of course both candidates "tweaked" some statistics to their political advantage; but this happens every election cycle. If the entire media, which generally leans Obama (outside of Fox), says that Romney clearly won the debate, I'm pretty sure that he was te winner on that night. Next debate, however, should be a lot more interesting.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm

Zithia: 'I thought that he was so vague throughout and not only contradicted himself in past interviews, but cotradicted things he was saying during the debate.'
Examples?
 
 
Both of them were a little vague at times. It can't be helped. Obama doesn't want to point to his presidential record and Romney doesn't have a presidential record to point to. Neither of them is willing to admit that their plans to fix the economy probably won't get through Congress intact, and so they don't want to get too specific. Also, an hour and a half is not enough time to go over every detail of every problem or solution for every domestic policy issue that America is facing. 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm

Zithia: 'I thought that he was so vague throughout and not only contradicted himself in past interviews, but cotradicted things he was saying during the debate.'
Examples?
 
 
Both of them were a little vague at times. It can't be helped. Obama doesn't want to point to his presidential record and Romney doesn't have a presidential record to point to. Neither of them is willing to admit that their plans to fix the economy probably won't get through Congress intact, and so they don't want to get too specific. Also, an hour and a half is not enough time to go over every detail of every problem or solution for every domestic policy issue that America is facing. 

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An-eloquent-leafThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 8, 2012 at 9:52 pm

This is a very brief and basic explanation, but to add onto what Serena mentioned, the point of presidential debates these days is less about than actual facts than the style---auditorily, yes, but mostly visually, now that the majority of Americans own televisions (rather than radios). It's a bit sad, yes, people---whether they want to admit it or not---often vote emotionally and/or by their impressions of the candidate personally instead of the candidates actual policies.
 
To me, Obama seemed a bit bored, tired,---even annoyed at times, for the fact that someone was actually questioning him. I think he was trying to keep a "presidential" appearance by trying to seem calm and collected without seeming too cool or aloof, but in the outcome, he ended up looking a bit, well, a bit too smug and apathetic at the same time. He also had many chances to poke mini-attacks at Romney, but never made them. Perhaps he was trying to appear more "mature," but he still missed the chance.
 
Romney, on the other hand, was expected to slip up and be awkward, due to his past fumbles. Sad enough as it is to say it, one of the (small) reasons why I decided to watch the debate was to pick out the funny mistakes he would make XD. That was not the case, however---Romney seemed energetic and as if he was actually having fun, actively engaging in the debate, and (especially since he's essentially trying to convince people not to vote for the currect president for a second term) held up pretty well against Obama.
 
That said, I may add (in case it was not gathered by the previous words), I'm not much of a Romney fan. I'm not much of an Obama fan, either---I'm pretty much neutral---though do I lean slightly towards him.
 
As a side note, how do you think the debates will actually affect the election? Many people have already decided who they're voting more, and early-voting even has started in some areas. The polls showed Obama having a slight lead before the debate (I haven't checked them since then), but will Romney---if he continues to do well and his opponent the opposite---be able to turn the tide with these next four weeks in the debates?
 
Personally, I'm not sure... I think I'll have to wait and see a little more. There is much hype about the debates, but how much they truly sway people is debatable (no pun intended ;) ).
 
Also, the vice presidential debate is this Thursday---that should be fun. XD

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 9, 2012 at 6:44 pm

Well, if you watched the presidential debates to watch Romney screw up, I'm watching the VP debate to see Biden do the same. :) Ryan is going to tear him apart.
 
Although many people say they've made up their minds, there is also very little voter enthusiasm for either candidate in this election. People say they have picked a candidate but are very lukewarm. So major events in the last few weeks of the race still have the capacity to bring about some drastic change.
Case in point: Most polls over the past month showed Obama with a slight (or not-so-slight) lead. After the debate, the contestants are again locked in a super-tight race (with some polls even showing Romney ahead).

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sorla replied...
Oct. 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm

I think they are both full of it and only want power. Don't trust Obama or Romney, trusting a politician will be the end of us. Both of them are two sides of the same coin, they want the same thing, but are so busy trying to be drastically different from each other that nothing gets done. One is to liberal, one is to conservative. I would much rather Gary Johnson, the libertarian candidate be president, as he doesn't care so much for getting elected as he does for enforcing our rights and solving our country's problems. He believes in freedom, and he doesn't believe in screwing with our heads. Gary Johnson 2012.

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An-eloquent-leafThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 9, 2012 at 7:23 pm

Haha it's funny to see anyone screw up, honestly. I mean, I am interested in the debates themselves and like to keep up with the news/politics, but another part of me enjoys laughing at them---the republican debates, for example, earlier this and last year, and, as you mentioned, how I suspect the vice presidential debate will go as well XD
 
Yah, I looked at some polls today and some of them do show Romney in the lead, surprisingly enough. Maybe it's because Americans, as a whole, are so easily influenced by the media nowadays. I'm just theorizing, though---we'll have to wait and see how the next few debates go (and if Obama can pick back up) 

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An-eloquent-leafThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Oct. 9, 2012 at 7:27 pm

sorla: Sad enough as it is to say, third-party candidates just cannot get enough support these days. At least, not now---maybe sometime in the future they well, but presently they can barely rally enough support to get their name out there. Actually, I never even heard of Gary Johnson until today.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm

The problem isn't that they lack support. The problem is that they lack the funds to get their name out there.

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Zithia replied...
Oct. 10, 2012 at 7:03 pm

An-eloquent-leaf: Okay, it is a really bad sign if you are impressed by a presedential candidate because he exceeded very low expectations.  I know you lean toward Obama, but still.  And honestly, I think the people whose voting the debates will effect are people who will only see reports about the debates after, instead of actually watching them.  Everyone else has figured it out.  And nice username btw.
Imaginedangerous: How would Ryan tear apart Biden.  First of all, Biden is an incredible public speaker--I cried during his speach at the DNC and it wasn't because he exploited tragedy or really much to do with the content at all--he's just an amazing public speaker.  Also, Ryan is a homophoic, sexist, sputtering idiot.  He really is quite dumb.  I don't see how he could tear anyone apart.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Zithia: Biden sometimes doesn't think before he speaks. A speech that has been planned for months is very different from off-the-cuff remarks like 'the middle class (has) been buried the last four years.' (Um, how long have you been in the White House?) Remarks written out on a teleprompter are very different from spontanious debate. And just because you disagree with Ryan doesn't make him stupid.
 
To tell the truth, though, the only way to really tell is to watch the debate and see what happens. So I'll be back tomorrow. :)

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Oct. 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm

Wow. Biden did much better than I thought he would. He kept his arguments together and avoided major gaffes (although he came close once or twice. Fortunately he stopped himself from saying something stupid just in time. :) I still think Ryan won, though, because Biden was very unprofessional. He had no respect for his opponent- the constant interrupting and laughing was downright rude. And I don't think that 'Beebee' was the best way to refer to Prime Minister Netanyahu. I was very impressed with Ryan's eloquence (I might be worng, but I don't remember him saying 'um' or 'uh' a single time). In fact, of the four people on the major tickets, I'd pick him as the best spoken. Overall, it was a much closer debate than I expected, but I think Ryan won.

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human6 replied...
Oct. 12, 2012 at 10:34 pm

I saw part of it, I stopped after Obama said corporate taxes were to high, it was to conservatives voting on minutia. If your a proggressive you don't have a dog in this fight, if your a real goldwateresk conservative you don't either.

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Whiplash24 replied...
Oct. 13, 2012 at 3:16 pm

On my ballot Im crossing out both names and puting Other: Big Bird.
 
 

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human6 replied...
Oct. 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm

lol, I'm going to vote for Jill Stein

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