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Aaron C. This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm

Ok, what would you constitute as a "real" leftist? Who would you support if they were to run for President?

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human6 replied...
Sept. 21, 2012 at 6:49 pm

Jill Stein, is a real proggressive. I would have supported Stewart Alexander.

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Aaron C. This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 21, 2012 at 8:27 pm

Thank you. I have several serious objections to both of those candidates, but I'm pleased to hear you actually have something to promote instead of some people that just snipe at both sides. My opinion of your candidates have nothing to do with the content of this thread.

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 10:11 am

First to human6:
 
If you believe that Mitt Romney is fascist then you’ve got another thing coming in November. I mean honestly, you quote all of these fringe politics and politicians, and yet you don’t even comprehend what fascism is. Even the worst versed conspiracy theorists have to know that liberalism, not conservatism, leans towards fascism, i.e. more government control. Conservatives have always had ideas that would side more with anarchists, i.e. less to no government whatsoever. And if you can’t see that Mitt Romney is a true conservative, then you should start paying more attention to the race.
 
As for your choices of Jill Stein and Stewart Alexander, I’ll say the same thing Aaron said. You’ve got a right to vote for whoever you want, even if I don’t agree with anything they say. This is a democracy after all.
 
Now to Aaron C.:
 
I totally agree with you! People who’ll take potshots at both sides, and then go off and vote for some obscure candidate (or worse, someone they fired at) seem to me few and far between. However, it’s that one guy who has all of these wild theories and wild ideas that even the mainstream media won’t accept that you’ve got to watch out for. Sure, I respect their right to free speech and freedom of demonstration, but there’s a reason third parties are called third parties.
 
By the way, what do you think of bias in the media?

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 11:07 am

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion

liberalism: a mild form of egalitarianism advocating equality of access, where every person has the right to things which help them succeed (education) and can do with them what they will. They also believe in safty net for the poor, and infirm.

socialism: any advocate of egalitarianism beyond equality of liberty.

anarchism: opposition to all forms of hierarchical domination, including but not limited to, se.xism, racism, capitalist class relations, ho.mophobia, and statism.

conservativism: belief in conserving the past, for example, monarchism in countries with a past of monarchy, often confused with neo-liberalism (austerity, smaller government). Often argues for traditional values (death penalty, no g.ay marriage, women at home)

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 11:22 am

definitions: A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cu.lts of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive viole.nce and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion
 
liberalism: Belief in equality of access, and a safty net.
 
socialism: any form of egalitarianism that goes beyond equality of liberty
 
anarchism: beliefe in the abolition of hierarchy, including capitalist class relations.
 
conservativism: belief in returning to the past
 
neo liberalism: belief in austerity and economic shock therapy

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 11:22 am

definitions: A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cu.lts of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive viole.nce and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion
 
liberalism: Belief in equality of access, and a safty net.
 
socialism: any form of egalitarianism that goes beyond equality of liberty
 
anarchism: beliefe in the abolition of hierarchy, including capitalist class relations.
 
conservativism: belief in returning to the past
 
neo liberalism: belief in austerity and economic shock therapy

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 11:54 am

May I ask you two questions?
 


What in God’s good name is the first paragraph talking about?


Where are you getting these definitions? I’d say about half of them are wrong, biased or outdated.

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm

the first: fascism, from anatomy of fascism
 
second why

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Breece6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Caesar:
 
Gonna have to agree with Human6 on this one, a fascist believes in National Identity, doesn't Romney keep drilling the "Keep America American" Idea into people's heads during his speeches?  
 
Obama is a little less of a fascist I think though, he actually wants to change our outdated healthcare.  Did you know America is one of the only countries left that doesn't have government controlled health care?  Japan does, South Korea does, a lot of Europe does, China does (lol), America for some reason insists that it's "communist" even though Japan, South Korea, and the majority of Europe have it.  
 
I really think the main reason people support Romney is because they're againts Obamacare, and I think the main reason they're against Obamacare is because they believe anything foreign is "communist".  Incorrectly labeling foreign things as communism is definitely a sign of widespread fascism in my opinion.

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Breece6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 1:37 pm

Human6:
 
Why do you have 6 at the end of your name like I do -_-, I remember when you went by other names like bthrower and malatov and such.  I have 6 because it was attched to my original gamertag that I've taken as my online persona.  It had 6 because there are 6 people of my immediate family and it as a shared account, now I use it exclusively for my internet screennames for everything though.  
 
Unless it's too personal, why do you have it there?  Is it just because Human 1-5 were already taken :P

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 1:38 pm

human was taken and I randomly chose 6

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm

I’m sorry Breece6, but you’ve clearly been misinformed and disillusioned as well. Fascism is about complete government control and the repression of free enterprise. Is it about nationalism, yes, but it’s not a bad thing to have love for your country. I’m sure you believe that fascism has to do with the hate of anything foreign, but that’s not the case. Maybe you think that because Hitler hated the Jews (which even that is debatable) but that’s not the case.

Fascism is when the government takes total and utter control of everything. The economy. The media. All forms of art and entertainment. Religion. And maybe one of the most important (one that you mentioned) healthcare.

You say that Obama is not a fascist by taking over the healthcare system, and I say the exact opposite. If you use the actual definition of fascism, having government run healthcare fall right in line with it.

Who cares what Japan, or Korea, or the Europeans do? This is America. We’ve always been unique, we’ve always been special. We’ve never wanted to just blend into the crowd with everyone else, we’ve always wanted to strike out on our own. To take the road less traveled. To be the pioneers, the explorers, the individuals! I mean for God’s sake, China is a Communist country, like it or not!

By the way, where have you ever heard Mitt Romney say “Keep America American”? I certainly haven’t, and if the media elite had they wouldn’t have let go of it. I think you’re confusing Romney with Calvin Coolidge, who was president about eighty-three years ago.

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Breece6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Human6:
 
Ah :P
 
Caesar:
 
Your reply didn't show up, it might have been eaten by the filter.  If you don't know already, you have to put periods in between controversial words like t.his or th.is  
 
You should also copy every post before you post it, so you can re-do it if it gets eaten by the filter.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm

I never knew 'th.is' was a controversial word. o.o
 
And while we're on the topic (or, more accurately, off it :), facism is usually considered far right on the political spectrum because it doesn't emphasize the strength of the government as much as it emphasizes the strength of a united people. In actual practice, fascist governments usually turn into dictatorships with strong governments, but the theory focuses on the behavior of society instead of the government.

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 7:35 pm

Yeah, I suppose it did. I got the thing about controversial words, though I didn’t think I put anything too iffy in there. Anyhow, let me just say that fascism is about total government control, not about national identity. Sure, extreme patriotism can be part of fascism, it is after all one of the main reasons that Hitler was able to capture the hearts and minds of the German people. However, the first and foremost ideal of fascism is to control everything. Lefties are always about control, all the way from business to the environment.
 
Now what does Obama want to do? Implement a system where the government completely controls all healthcare. What does Mitt Romney want to do? Repeal that takeover. So saying that Mitt Romney is a fascist or saying that Barrack Hussein Obama II is less of a fascist than him is pure lunacy.
 
I really don’t believe that it’s fair to say that people label things as communist just because they’re foreign. I’ve never heard anybody say anything like that, and I think that to make such a claim is just immature.
 
By the way, where did you hear Mitt Romney say that he wants to “Keep America American”? I think you’re confusing Romney with Calvin Coolidge, who was our president eighty-three years ago.

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Fascism sees the state as an organic expression of "the people", in theory all identities not nationalist must be removed (se.xual, class, sports team, regional, political, religious). F.ascism did come from leftism, Mussilini was a syndicalist-Marxist but its a per.version of it. 
Marxism aims to create anarchy, but first feels that the capitalist mindset must be removed in the dictatorship of the proletariat, anarchist realized this really meant, dictatorship over the proletariat, and said just go strait to communism (stateless, classless, moneyless.)

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Fascism sees the state as an organic expression of "the people", in theory all identities not nationalist must be removed (se.xual, class, sports team, regional, political, religious). F.ascism did come from leftism, Mussilini was a syndicalist-Marxist but its a per.version of it. 
Marxism aims to create anarchy, but first feels that the capitalist mindset must be removed in the dictatorship of the proletariat, anarchist realized this really meant, dictatorship over the proletariat, and said just go strait to communism (stateless, classless, moneyless.)

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Caesar123This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm

Okay, we could go back and forth debating right versus left for all time. As Imagine said, we’ve gotten way off topic. This forum was originally meant to be about bias in the media. And I’ll say, as I’ve said before. It is clear that the media leans to the left. Just flip on CNN or any other major news station and you’ll clearly be able to see what I’m talking about.

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human6 replied...
Sept. 22, 2012 at 8:45 pm

What about Fox, its a Major network

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