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human6 replied...
May 3, 2012 at 2:15 pm

You can vote, I'll spend my time doing things that will actually work:

 

 

Right now I'm working to start an anarchist organization in my town, and working with food not bombs

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PussnBoots replied...
May 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Honestly, I think he's doing the best job he can with what he's got. The debt was 9 trillion when he started; now it's little over 6. It's still 6 trillion, granted, but it's 3 trillion better than 9.

The thing most people don't understand is the difficulty a president has with a Congress run by the opposite party. Obama's a Democrat. Most of Congress is Republican. If Obama said the sky was blue, Congress would fight tooth and nail to get people to believe it's really yellow.

That might seem a little juvenile, but believe me, it's true. And it would be the same exact way if Obama were Republican and Congress was Democratic.

(And yes, I know there are going to be some of you saying, "NO, because if he was MY party then things would get done.) Honestly, I think political parties are completely stupid, but it would be difficult to get away from them.

Now, this isn't the only reason things aren't improving as fast as people think they should. Think of it like this: Bush set loose a speeding train with no conductor (Aka, the failing economy), then left and gave Obama the job of stopping it. Obama has to put something in front of it or make someone jump onto it to stop it, but the problem is, everyone disagrees on what or who.

Obama is definitely NOT the worst president we've had, and he's not the best, either. But he is stubborn and he has a good vision, if nothing else. Cut the guy some slack. It ain't easy becoming the president of a speeding-towards-destruction-economy.

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Osvaldo_CThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 3, 2012 at 4:18 pm

*agrees with Pussnboots*

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 3, 2012 at 5:25 pm

Um, where did you get that statistic? Right now the national debt is 15 trillion. It was 10 trillion when Obama took office. The last time it was 'a little over 6' trillion was 2002.

If you're wondering, I got this from http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-has-now-increased-debt-more-all-presidents-george-washington-through-george-hw

Or you could Google it.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 3, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Um, where did you get that statistic? The national debt is over 15 trillion right now. It was 10 trillion when Obama took office. The last time it was anywhere near 6 was 2002- ten years ago.

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M4nnE replied...
May 3, 2012 at 6:02 pm

Agree with Imagine. Look at this site, very informative and annoying at the same time. 

 

ht tp:/ /w w w. usdebtclock .o rg /

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M4nnE replied...
May 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm

looking at almost 15.8 trillion dollars in debt.

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Osvaldo_CThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 3, 2012 at 8:02 pm

If our country continues to "tax and spend" and using unnecessay military usage, the debt will be even more soon.

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 4, 2012 at 10:25 am

Imagine and M4nne:

 

Imagine, I'm not sure about your sources, but since your estimate is pretty close to M4nne's, I'll address you both.

 

usdebtclock . o r g is not a reliable source AT ALL.

 

Here's my source for that, but there are plenty of other places if you just google "is usdebtclock . o r g accurate" that agree.

 

ht tp://didyoucheckfirst.blogspot.co m/2009/08/someone-want-to-verify-or-validate.h tml

 

While the debt is somewhere close to that range, the actual rate of increase of the debt has lowered since Obama's presidency.

 

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 4, 2012 at 5:26 pm

I got the 2002 statistic from htt p://w ww.treasurydirect.go v/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.h tm.

 

The 15 trillion statistic can be found on any number of websites besides USDebtClock. Google it. Brillig, the Treasury Department, ZFacts, Wikipedia (for what that's worth :)- they may disagree on what exactly the number means, but no reputible site disagrees that we are over 15 trillion dollars in debt.

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M4nnE replied...
May 4, 2012 at 5:57 pm

While Obama has been president, the federal government’s debt has increased by $15,824.21 for each of the 313,223,079 million people that the Census Bureau now estimates live in the United States—and by $41,762.92 for each of the nation’s 118,682,000 households.

On Jan. 20, 2009, the day Obama was inaugurated, the federal government’s debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08. As of the close of business on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, it was $15,583,383,846,149.34.

That represents an increase of $4,956,506,797,236.26—which rounds to $5 trillion.

 

In his first term which has still yet to end, Obama has increased the debt by over 20%. More than Bush in BOTH his terms. 

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M4nnE replied...
May 4, 2012 at 5:58 pm

The total national debt did not exceed $6,264,235,666,752.75 until Oct. 29, 2002, during George W. Bush’s first term. If the rate of increase in the debt continues at the average daily rate it has maintained thus far in his term, Obama, in just four years, will increase the federal government’s debt by more than all presidents from Washington through Clinton combined.

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Osvaldo_CThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm

I wish there would be someone that would come out of no where to help this troubled nation...

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M4nnE replied...
May 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Chuck Norris..........

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Osvaldo_CThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 5, 2012 at 8:40 am

Too bad, bruce lee is better. :D

 

But we already have that someone: Ron Paul. :D

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PussnBoots replied...
May 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm

I agree with Breece about that site. How hard do any of you really think it is to type into a computer misleading information? Do you know who made that site? Who runs it? Where EXACTLY they get that info? Normally I stick to the news, which is exactly where I got those statistics. So if you think they're wrong (and maybe they are, I'm not saying everything on the news is real) complain to Today. Another thing, not one of you can deny that the stockmarket has improved TREMENDOUSLY, as a whole. (I appologize for the capital letters; my computer is glitching and won't italicize, so I just capitalized.)
And this is completely random, but I am sick and tired of the Chuck Norris jokes. He is an actor, not a god. If he is so great, I dare him to pop into my house, sneak up behind me, and smash my face into the keybokldjaowieu op0we49 3;lakfj :D

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Breece6This teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 7, 2012 at 10:28 am

Imagine/M4nn3:

 

Yes but you have to remember that the rate of debt increase is dependent on past decisions, no decision Obama could have made would have just instantly lowered debt, or even lowered the rate of debt increase.  

 

And on top of that, he's thinking long term, the resurrection of the housing market is the big problem here, and if he can fix that (which is getting better since he came into office) then the rest of the economy will be soon to come, and the debt required to fix the situation will be handled.

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Imaginedangerous replied...
May 7, 2012 at 5:19 pm

Puss- Do you have the url so I can see it?    I got my info from news sites too. Namely, the New York Times and US News, in addition to all the other sites mentioned above.

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Osvaldo_CThis teenager is a 'regular' and has contributed a lot of work, comments and/or forum posts, and has received many votes and high ratings over a long period of time. replied...
May 7, 2012 at 7:18 pm

By November, Obama will have a 33% chance of remaining as president. It'll be either him, Romney, or Paul. I'm supporting Paul. But anyone is better than Obama. :D

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PussnBoots replied...
May 7, 2012 at 9:31 pm

Imagine- I saw it actually ON the news. If you go onto the Today show's website (Google it), and go back about a week and a half they talked about the debt and whether or not Obama would win this election. As I watched it over, though, I did realize that they were talking about the debt in one particular spending sector, so my info was disproportional about the whole national debt. I appologize for that. :/ But my other arguments still stand.

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